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[stealyoursoul]

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[IC]

Hugging this character: Sure. He'll have no idea how to react anyway.
Kissing this character: Same as above.
Flirting with this character: He will not be amused, but sure.
Fighting with this character: Go right ahead. Just know there will be consequences, he's pretty tough.
Injuring this character: Sure, but anything permanent like losing a limb will need discussion.
Killing this character: Sure. It's already happened to him once.
Using telepathy/mind reading abilities on this character: Go right ahead, he's got no defenses.
Content warnings: Leo's canon has mention of suicide, school shootings, suicide bombers, torture, and a lot of gory death. Tell me if you want to opt out of any of this.

Abilities: Leo's three primary abilities that will affect your character are thus. The first is being able to tell if someone is a sinner or not. He can do this with a simple look, for a character's shadow looks completely off. This only applies to characters who have done really bad acts: murder, torture, rape, pedophilia, things of that nature.

The second is a passive ability. Sunai cause people to unconsciously be more honest around them. They'll make people tell the truth. Generally, they'll talk about things they would generally like to keep hidden, maybe how they honestly feel about someone, or about something in their past they would rather hide. When a Sunai gets into a high emotional state, it makes people start confessing sins, usually whatever is on their mind at the time.

The last is that Leo can entrance people by playing a song. He can do this using any instrument, barring using his own voice singing. If a character has a soul and working ears, they'll be affected from the first note. They'll fall into a calm, blissful state, barely able to remember their own name, and willing to confess the worst acts of their life. If he touches them in this state, he'll drain their soul, which kills them and leaves their eyes burnt out of their skull. I'll never play this out to a full soul-sucking unless I've discussed it with people ahead of time.

If for whatever reason you think your character wouldn't be affected by any of these abilities, be sure to let me know!

Comments

[gimmesometassel]

Carpet's shadow is definitely normal; no huge sins here! There's probably no reason that the passive ability wouldn't work on him, either. (Aside from him being, y'know, a Disney Cinnamon Roll who's just honest in general.)

I'm uncertain about the third one, though. He obviously doesn't have ears, but he can hear--and I honestly couldn't say whether he has a soul or not.

[kiljoy]

Obviously Kilgrave represents the worst of humanity over here so he's not going to look good. He would be susceptible to all of Leo's abilities! I want to avoid killing him for the time being though, so we can talk about it if the possibility ever comes up in a future plot.

[backstory]

Hey there! All of his abilities sound like fun to me! Is he able to tell if someone is fully human from aura? Or if there is something different about them?

Kija for example is a Dragon Warrior-- he has the blood of the white dragon inside him so he's human but also has something not human inside him (he has a white dragon arm as a result). He kills and fights but it's only in self defense and protection of his master, and is a stickler about things being nobly done. For instance, when someone who was an enemy of his was shot through a cell he was dismayed and outraged that someone would try and kill another while defenseless. No back stabbing, no picking on people who can't fight, etc

BUT- more than that he's 'haunted' by the spirits of thousands of his predecessors. They were all angry spirits and would way down on the life of the newest White Dragon Warrior when born, but Kija sort of unconsciously purified them (despite being unaware of their presence) and so now they divinely protect him from spiritual attacks.

I wasn't sure if he'd be able to sense/see them (he would in general if he's usually able to see ghosts or spirits) and if that meant anything in regards to his own abilities.

Not that I think he would feel the need to nom on Kija! He's a pure boi.

My other character, Yuuki Kuran, is a vampire. While she has lots of regrets she's a sparklepire, so I think her aura would look pretty clean. But I wasn't sure how non humans appeared to him!

/Ends this long winded madness.

[stealyoursoul]

Ooooo, lots of interesting thoughts! I love trying to figure out cross-canon stuff. After a few days of thoughts, this is what I came up with.

In canon, Leo can tell people and monsters alike with a single glance, same as being able to tell if they're a sinner. So I'm going to say he can probably sense Kija has a little something extra to him besides being human, but not specifically what that something is.

As far as the spirits go, he'll be able to sense there's something different to what makes up Kija. Maybe kind of get a sense there's something good surrounding him beyond just the purity of his own soul. It'll take him a while, if ever, to be able to figure out that he's got other soul-like spirits surrounding him. Hope this all makes sense!

[darknstormy]

Seth Gecko is not a powered being. However, he has come face to face with a number of 'monsters'. The first were a snake form of vampire (which has nothing to do with Leo) but meeting culebras is what ended up bringing Seth face to face with demons from hell to include a goddess from hell.

Said goddess (Amaru) nearly took Seth's soul (at 1.16 if u wanna skip straight to it) had someone not intervened. I'd like to play the angle with Leo that having had that happen, he'd notice there is something different about Seth? He couldn't completely be immune to Leo but maybe isn't easily influenced by him like he should be as a mere mortal.

There is also a point in his canon where Seth decides to allow a once enemy to feed on him when he doesn't even let his brother do it. His idea behind it was so she could build up her strength to fight a mutual enemy (Amaru) which I can see happening with Leo at some point.

I also get the feeling that the more they talk, the more Seth would see his brother in Leo--if you're interested in that at all.

[stealyoursoul]

I like that idea that there's something a bit different about Seth's soul that Leo picks up on. Something that he finds odd but can't quite put his finger on what. And yes, playing around with the idea of him not being as easily influenced would be interesting, maybe having some form of resistance to his truth powers or a little bit to his song.

Also, YES, always here for possible family-like connections, especially since it really is coincidental how much of their canons align up. Leo's definitely feeling lost without his siblings around.

[priwen]

Alex here is a bit of a special case so apologies for the tldr that's going to happen:

He's a normal Elezen (his world's equivalent of an elf) and has fought in wars and killed quite a lot of people. I'm not quite sure how sins will be classified wrt to Leo but it's important to make the distinction that whatever bad acts Alex commits (mostly fighting) is not out of maliciousness but more out of a 'kill or be killed' situation. He has also been manipulated into drug plots (and tries to atone for it later) so I leave up to you as to how you'd like to interpret this!

One other thing is that he carries a blessing from the mother goddess of his canon, which makes him immune to mental manipulation. It holds up even against godlike beings who flay people's minds (everyone except him fell prey to permanent mental control) so I think it would also put him as immune to the entrancement part.

Other than that, he carries two crystals on his person that hold the memories and skills of those who used it before. His dark crystal carries memories of people who kill and torture as acts of vengeance/for justice, so it's up to you whether you'd like to classify that as sins, or justified sins (??). \o/

[stealyoursoul]

So sinning in Leo's canon is pretty black and white. It's a plot point in the first book that even accidental death through manslaughter or self-defense can make a soul show up corrupted by sin. But since we're dealing with cross-canon here, I've also been playing it that the intent in the character's own canon makes a difference, so if he didn't do it maliciously, Alex would likely show up as with a pure soul.

Noted about the blessing! Would you say that would also apply to the influence where Leo's presence makes people more likely to tell the truth?

The dark crystal sounds like, if he senses anything about it, would register as sinful to his mind.

[deadboywalking]

Sliiiiiding in here with a little context in case you're canon-blind -- Will was possessed by a Big Scary Shadow Monster, which caused him to go full exorcist creepy demon child. The monster used him to trick several soldiers into going into a spooky dark tunnel -- he literally told them "go here if you want to kill the monster" -- where more monsters ambushed and killed them. That line of defense gone, these smaller monsters escaped the tunnels and killed at least a dozen more people, probably more (including Will's mom's boyfriend).

Nooot sure how that would show up, since Will was TECHNICALLY responsible for all their deaths, but it was while he was being possessed. He definitely FEELS guilty about it though, and sees it as being all his fault.

[stealyoursoul]

So brainwashed people/possession is actually a plot point in the second book of the series! There's a Chaos Eater monster that does a little of both to people to cause chaos by getting them to kill each other in that state. Their souls show up as being both innocent and guilty, but only when the Sunai play their songs. Leo is dead by that point, so he doesn't have direct knowledge of what causes it, but he's encountered it once already in game thanks to the mental manipulations of Kilgrave on people.

But, since Will didn't commit any actual of the "big sins" that Sunai monsters eat even while possessed, his soul would likely show up innocent just at a glance, since Leo only looks at his shadow. If he played his song, it would likely show up as a little of both.

[ghostlocked]

oh boy LMAO this will mesh poorly with harlan... here we go:

harlan's shadow will probably look funky? he tortured someone once. he's also killed a bunch of people but i'm not sure if those circumstances would apply? he's from a modernized dnd campaign and he's an adventurer by trade, so he's killed people as part of his job. usually because they were trying to kill him/other people, but accidents have happened. up to you how you want to play that.

gonna say harlan would be resistant to the passive ability? he has a Lot of experience with magic/abilities that mess with his head and he's built up both a natural resistance to them and an awareness of when they're happening. luckily he's pretty honest anyway, although he won't be confessing big secrets anytime soon.

THE LAST ABILITY... hoo boy. i'm figuring harlan would be resistant to that too but since it's an active thing, it could theoretically work on him? he'd just be tougher to entrance than most. THAT SAID if that's something leo would want to try on harlan, we should plot it out first. part of why harlan has such intense mental resistances for this type of magic is because he was abused with it for a long time, so it's a sore subject with him and he would absolutely not react well to it getting used on him. OR ON LIKE, THE WHOLE NETWORK, SO... INCOMING... :');;;

[stealyoursoul]

So, the torturing would peg as a sin definitely, since that's one of the sins that get categorized as Big Ones by the book. The killing I go a little more grey on than straight canon does, which says even an accidental killing is enough to taint a person's soul. So it really comes down to intent, so if Harlan didn't see killing someone as a bad thing or as necessary, it wouldn't register as a sin.

Noted about being resistant to the passive ability and about how the song would affect him. Definitely will plot more if it comes up...which considering how these two have been, will probably happen down the line.

Also, these two have been such fun thus far, I must say.

[evocation]

SO kyna is a half-elf, and elves and half-elves in dungeons and dragons are very hard to charm/compel, so i'm going to say she's not affected by his forced truth/entrancing abilities, or she's pretty resistant to them!

as for the sinner part, i'm not totally sure what counts! kyna has definitely killed people in self-defense before and she's done some morally dodgy things, but nothing to the level of your examples, so maybe she's somewhere in the middle?

[stealyoursoul]

Hmmm, she'd probably ping as innocent on his radar, despite the killings, unless they were done with malicious intent. No such thing as a middle ground in the book canon, even accidental deaths can come up as a sin, but I go with a little more wriggle room when it comes to cross-canon.

[aroundthecoroner]

Even though that threadjack is during the event, this is a good time to fill this out, I suppose.

SO UH getting this out of the way right quick: Michael is technically a serial killer. He doesn't do the killing himself, but the monster in his head does. Still, Michael helps it hunt, and while he doesn't like hurting people and would vastly prefer not to, he also hasn't done anything to stop it. So, we got murder times three and I'm guessing that counts as sin.

The passive ability would absolutely work on him. The active one would probably work on him but... not so much the monster. It's a thoughtform, so it doesn't have a soul. It does need Michael's permission to manifest physically, so if Leo got him enthralled before he could give the word, he'd be in trouble, but I don't think it would work on the monster if it was already active.

All that said, I'd prefer to plot something like this out beforehand if it's going to happen!

[stealyoursoul]

Yep, he'd definitely ping as a sinner on Leo's radar.

Definitely will approach for plotting if things take a turn like that.

[onlyanautomaton]

For Leo's first ability: if I'm understanding it right, he'd be able to see that Oscar is definitely not a sinner.

For the last one... Oscar's canon doesn't specifically elaborate on whether or not he has a soul or what the precise nature of it is beyond saying he has "an additional soul auxiliary". All things considered, I interpret it as him having an artificial soul; the absolute closest to one that's possible in his canon, at least. So basically, I guess whether Leo's song ability would work on Oscar depends on whether you think it would affect an automaton with a soul that's artificial in nature.

[stealyoursoul]

Hmmmm, I'm gonna go with the answer of yes, it would affect him, though he'll probably ping Leo as having something weird going on with his soul like he's run into with a few people already.

[lifetothefullest]

Heyo!

For the first ability, Lance's shadow will look completely normal; he's barely done anything morally grey, let alone serious.

For the second, this may or may not work on Lance very well depending on the situation. Since he's very guarded and very self-aware, he'll likely notice the compulsion to be forthcoming since it's so different; he'll feel the mismatch between the urge to confess and his own natural desire to be defensive. But on a bad day it might be more difficult for him to be aware of, so this is probably case by case.

For the third one, it'll likely work just fine, at least for a little while. He's not particularly great at resisting this sort of active, powerful compulsion; he might eventually snap out of it on his own, but it's probably unlikely. However he'll probably be the most disappointing ever when it comes to confessions, because the worst thing he's ever really done is kill monsters in self-defense he won't even hunt them to trade Rage for bullets because he thinks that's wrong lbr here.

[atravellerwithabow]

1. Nil is an ex-soldier, and undoubtedly unrepentant mass murderer.

He has probably tortured people in wartime, and kills bandits for sport. He'd kill other people, too, but honestly he doesn't want to deal with the fuss that happens if you start doing that. He kill bandits because no one cares if he does.

2. He tends to be fairly open about his past/"crimes"/reasons behind them anyway (he's not ashamed and won't hide them), so the compulsion wouldn't really be necessary. If it was for the sake of pressing him to admit something he wouldn't usually speak of, it would probably work.

3. Yeah, that'll probably work, but again... not really necessary, since Nil doesn't tend to hide anything. I can see them getting along marvellously.

[claritatis]

1. Not sure if Ignis would flag up as a sinner here, because while he has killed, it has always been in defence of himself and his friends. It's not something he finds any pleasure in.

2. Ignis is... fairly sharp-minded, and would possibly be able to resist the compulsion to tell the truth once he realised what was happening. It would potentially depend on just what he ended up talking about because there are some things he would reflexively buck against revealing more so than others.

3. Sure, the song would work, but Ignis doesn't have any terrible 'worst deeds' to speak of. At least, not that would come up at his current canon point.

[stealyoursoul]

The book canon is pretty strict about any type of killing registering as a sin, even accidental ones, but I go with a little more leeway when it come to cross-canon. As long as he didn't take any pleasure in it, I don't think it would register as him having a sinful soul to Leo's senses.

[redwinekindofgirl]

1. Does it count if the people you killed were zombies and you kinda had to?

Other things she's done would fall under drug/alcohol use, selling herself for sex, self harm and (possibly) attempted suicide. The girl is a mess.

2 & 3. Julie would have zero ability to protect herself from either the truth-compulsion or the song.

[stealyoursoul]

Fortunately, zombies fall under the category of monsters, which don't ping as a sin to him when they're killed. The other things in her past wouldn't register as a sin to him, but if he gets her confessing, they would come out if she considers them to be one in her own mind.

[laststartofall]

1. He has killed people, but always in self-defence. Random murders have never been Jet's style. Aside from that, there are no major sins on the book for this guy.

2. Up to a point, Jet could probably resist the compulsion to tell the truth simply by how guarded he is about things naturally. He would immediately realise that he was being 'forced' to say things he wouldn't usually come out with and double-down on his opposition to it. He grew up in a place where keeping your hand hidden was essential, and wouldn't give it up easily.

3. With the above said, the song issue is something else entirely. Jet isn't special, in terms of mental powers, so he wouldn't have any defence against that.

[disequilibrium]

Hey!

So. For the first ability, Kylo's shadow would be hella black. Insert your own dark side joke but he's got plenty of murder, torture (of a sort), and other badness under his belt. A+ sinner.

For the second and third, it is possible that the Force could provide some resistance depending on the circumstances. He's also fairly guarded so he may notice the passive effect and try to resist. However, I'd assume he's still ultimately vulnerable to both.

[am_i_a_monster]

Abigail's shadow might look off.  Her father was a serial killer who killed girls that looked like her.   He forced Abigail to talk to girls, find out where they lived and where they were alone, so he could kill them later.   She didn't take part in the actual killings.  She did later kill a man, Nicholas Boyle, in what she thought was self-defense.  Hannibal had manipulated events, so she would think that Boyle killed her friend and was coming to kill her.   She faked her own death later to avoid prosecution for her role in her father's crimes and for killing Boyle.   She then lived with Hannibal, knowing he was a killer and keeping his secrets.   After living with Hannibal, she was under his control, enough that she pushed a woman through a window.  The woman survived. 

[allthecards]

Second and Third ability will definitely affect him.

I'm not sure how Kaiba's shadow will look to Leo. He has done plenty of sinning including murder/attempted murder. He also built designed military weapons that killed many people (not entirely of his free will). BUT he then had his mind crushed and had to rebuild his heart without the evil in it. He's still an ass but hasn't murdered anyone since. How does that affect things?

[stealyoursoul]

OH MAN, this one is a toughie. The murder would usually register as an automatic sin, but since the evil has been removed from his soul essentially, it would register as innocent. I'm going with his shadow looking normal, but his soul will be evenly split between sinner and innocent if he actually plays his song. This happens sometimes to people in canon under special circumstances.

[tongueamok]

1. Carlisle's shadow is probably fine! No murder or anything here.

2. Carlisle might be able to pick up that he's being influenced toward honesty, but it really depends on the thread. He tends to be relatively truthful as it is.

3. While he has working ears, Carlisle only has a fraction of his own soul left due to his affliction, and he's pretty perceptive of active compulsions, as he can use them himself. He's likely to be mildly affected, but aware enough of what's happening to not cave -- and will also be as mad as a hornet that anyone tried this on him. Sorry, Leo! :(

[abyssalarcana]

Hey let's fill this out huh!

1. Man. Caedra's shadow probably looks absolutely fucked to him, given she is a physical embodiment of evil and her sins are countless. Murder, torture, destruction of souls (innocent or otherwise), desecration of holy sites, an intense yearning for devastation, chaos, and ruin, the list goes on.

2. I think Caedra can be susceptible to this. She's able to somewhat resist these sorts of things normally, but the gods here have made her lose some of her innate defenses after she kinda tried to kill everyone once. She's already pretty brutally honest when she wants to be and she has absolutely no regrets about the things she's done, no guilt, no remorse - but she'll probably be more open to talking about it than she normally would, since she knows these people get all squeamish and upset so easily.

3. Like you say, best to talk about this first, but it should be possible!

[abyssalarcana]

Whoa hey also - I just noticed the true form thing after I tagged you on something, of course. Would you mind checking out Caedra's permissions page re: her witch sight? Normally this lets her see the true form of a creature in disguise but what with worlds being different and all, it's up to you what she sees when she's looking at Leo. Thanks!

[possidetur]

SHADOW vanessa is a sinner with a capital s. most of her sins are small acts but there are two big ones: betrayal (seducing her best friend's fiance) and murder.

TRUTH given that vanessa is a witch i have no idea whether she would have immunity to it or not. witches have been shown to fall under other's influences but can also be broken out of it (vanessa resisted the devil's influence). maybe sometimes it works sometimes not? or we can chat about it more before a thread? i wanna work with you to make fun

ENTRANCING similar to above. lets chat and plot things!!

[restinglichface]

SO Lup's a bit of a weird character for this one. Though she is chaotic good to her core, she's also a lich, which reads as a pretty evil spirit, even if she identifies as a 'good' lich. Liches are born from tearing out your own soul and fusing it with magic, so that is generally seen as very dark/forbidden magic. And her lich form is that of a spectral skeleton in a red robe, SO even if she is pretty good, she's got some evil magics that are at her core. Take that how you will!

As for the charming, gonna agree with Kyna and say that since elves are super immune to charm magic, I'll assume Lup isn't affected!

Let me know if you wanna chit chat about any of the above! IM PUMPED TO TAG YOU BACK.

[thechristmasnazi]

Hello. :D You've got a pretty good grip on Margo, right? Or do you want a run down on what she's done?

Isabel, here, has actually killed an alien of a different species who tortured her friend. It was in self-defense. Other than that, she's been a pretty good person.

[stealyoursoul]

I think I'm good with Margo, yeah.

As far as Isabel, in canon, even self-defense killings show up as sin, but for cross-canon I go a little more flexible, so it's up to you whether that corrupted her soul.

[kingforboth]

1. Kelson's soul may or may not look off to Leo. As king, he's definitely sentenced people to death, although most of the time he makes executioners do the deed, usually hanging or beheading. He was forced into magically crushing people's hearts during a dual to the death, after they'd been poisoned and there was no other to kill them other than watch them die horribly. He's a 12th century king, he's definitely killed in battle.

2. Kelson has an ability quite like this, although he has to activate it. So his ability to be affected by Leo's honesty depends on the state of his shields. Unless he's somehow not at his full and not completely aware, he's probably not going to be affected. Granted, Kelson has holes in his training so we could always force it.

3. Could theoretically work on him? Kelson is used to working trance magic so he'll know the symptoms, so it probably depends on Kelson's training and who has more 'juice'. Let's plot and chat if it comes up!

[hellosirs]

So Angus is basically a cinnamon roll, and would definitely ping as innocent on his soul radar. But! He is ridiculously smart and perceptive - he's known as the World's Greatest Detective back home, and in DnD terms, his insight stats are stacked pretty high - so there's a good chance that he might realize Something is Up if Leo tries to charm him, or uses any of his honesty mojo!